Wednesday, December 10, 2014

The Jason Todd Chronicles: Batman #408


You can read the introduction to this endeavor here.

And so we begin with Jason’s first appearance in Batman #408.

Well…technically this wasn’t his first appearance, either as himself or as Robin, but after Crisis on Infinite Earths, many of the books and characters that had been involved were reconstructed or redefined to new or more interesting dynamics and simplification in their stories. The concept worked for all of like, five minutes because it didn’t take long for things to get messy again with continuity errors, retcons, and Elseworlds stuff.

Jason was one of the characters to have his personality and background changed in a significant way after Crisis. As a result, he got a brand-new telling of his origin in Batman #408, which is why this is written as a first appearance. He was basically a brand-new character. Pre-Crisis, Jason was a circus performer like Dick and so much like the original Robin that, aside from his red hair (that Bruce made him dye because reasons), readers couldn’t tell them apart. Which is great if you had problems with Dick no longer being Robin and turning into Nightwing, but not so much if you’re looking to tell fresh, new stories.

Pictured: Originality
The comic is titled “Did Robin Die Tonight?” which I think is a pretty great title as it has a bit of a double meaning here, as we’ll see in a minute. It’s also a great attention-grabber, although considering that the Joker pops up in page one, I think it’s safe to assume that it could have been titled “Batman and Robin Watch Paint Dry” and people still would have been excited.


The opening scene starts in the middle of the action, with the Joker and Batman standing on top of a building while Batman yells “Give it up, Joker! There’s no place left to run!” Joker recently stole a valuable diamond necklace called “The Smile of Death” which Batman and Robin (Dick) are attempting to retrieve. Aside from the obvious connection to smiling, it’s never really clarified why the Joker wants this diamond necklace. Sure, he wears it (and his opening pose on the first page does little to assuage the notion of the Joker as gay or effeminate), but I find it odd that someone who would later go on to shoot and paralyze Barbara Gordon in cold blood would be bothered to steal diamonds for no other reason than “They look pretty on me!”

Anyway. The Joker pulls out a gun on Batman, preventing him from doing much of anything for several moments.

Robin, meanwhile, has been awkwardly climbing onto the roof of this building with a grappling hook, attempting to use a surprise attack instead of a direct one. This backfires, as Joker sees him before he can do anything and shoots him in the arm, causing him to fall off the side of the building. Batman freaks out and runs after him. Robin uses the grappling hook to prevent himself from splatting on the ground below and tells Batman to forget him for the moment and worry about the Joker. While Batman has his back turned, the Joker contemplates shooting his old foe, but before he can make up his mind, a helicopter with the Joker’s face on it arrives and drops him a rope. The Joker spends too much time rambling to make his escape, which seems to be a trait with a lot of comic book villains. Batman whacks him in the face with a Bataraang, causing him to fall into a river below just as Robin is losing his grip on the grappling hook rope.

Batman rushes back to Robin and grabs him before he hits the ground, carrying him away to safety in a hilariously awkward panel where Robin’s buttocks is right in Bat’s face. Somehow Batman manages to both carry Robin and retrieve the Joker before dropping him off at Arkham. He takes
Robin home and a fight inevitably breaks out between the two once Dick has had some time to recuperate from his gunshot wound and Bruce says Dick has to hang up the towel (or…cowl…or…domino mask).

This argument is interesting for a couple of reasons:

One: It addresses an issue that a lot of people have commented on since the debut of Robin and that’s what on earth is a child doing fighting crime. Isn’t it kind of a dangerous endeavor? Shouldn’t it be frowned upon? And the answer, according to this argument, is yes. Yes it is. Dick tries to argue that he’s no longer a kid—he’s a MAN now, y’see—and Bruce does agree with him. He tells Dick that he has been an invaluable asset to his crusade, a great partner, but that they’ve been lucky more than anything else that nothing more serious has happened and that a child has no place in this…erm…career path. He says that if Dick is a man now, he’s mature enough to understand and accept Bruce’s decision. Dick pouts for a little while before realizing that it’s actually a great opportunity for him to go out and be his own person—to pursue his own destiny. There’s a cool panel shot of him in his Nightwing mask before Bruce adds: “A man might as well pursue his destiny…because it will catch him if he doesn’t.” This comes into play later.

Two: It’s here that we get a thematic reference to the title. It was mentioned earlier when the Joker thought that he killed him, but this reference isn’t quite as literal. Dick says “And that ‘Robin’ is better off left dead!” He’s not meaning “I’m going to kill myself,” obviously. Dick is saying that he thinks Robin in and of itself is a defunct concept now that he’s grown up. He needs to move on. Funny enough, this was many readers’ attitudes towards the character, especially during the 80’s when his role as the light-hearted doler of puns was beginning to seem out of place in the darker DCU. So the discussion here is nifty, I think, if a little on-the-nose.

Third: Holy foreshadowing, Batman! I know that there’s no way this could have been intentional on the writer, Max Allen Collins,’ part…but yikes. It’s almost eerie. I’m of course referencing what eventually happens to Jason. Not only is Dick almost killed by the man who will later kill Jason, but even the way Bruce carries him (before using the face-in-butt technique) is the exact same way he’ll later carry Jason’s body. Bruce also remarks that if the Joker had succeeded in killing Dick, it would have been Bruce’s fault—not the Joker’s. Bruce is responsible for Dick, and anything that happens to him reflects back on Bruce. This is apparent when, after Jason’s death, he spends a ridiculous amount of time blaming himself, and not just in the comics that followed—he still does it to this day. It’s also important to note that Bruce acknowledges his part in anything that happens to his wards right here, in continuity, which is something that is completely overlooked in the case of Jason when everything that happened to him (including his death) was Jason’s fault.

Ahem. Moving on. I’m not even halfway through the comic and this is already absurdly long.

So the two heroes part ways and Batman spends the next few weeks doing his thing as the Caped Crusader while the news reports that everyone believes Robin is dead.

Commissioner Gordon asks Batman flat-out if he is dead. Batman says that for all intents and purposes he is, but that the person behind the mask is very much alive. There’s some more dialogue about how “a kid fighting crime is bad” that honestly annoys and bores me a bit before Batman tells himself that he doesn’t care what the press thinks, even if it means they spend all of their time crucifying him.

The next day he meets up with Vicki Vale as Bruce Wayne for drinks. She attempts to get Bruce to chair a committee who wants to overthrow Batman. Bruce, for obvious reasons, says no, and Bruce calls her out on her attempts to feed off of his “liberal guilt.” They finish their drinks and walk through Gotham, Vicki trying to convince Bruce that Batman is bad for the city and Bruce saying he thinks things would be a lot worse without him. Bruce notices a couple of Generic Hooligans steal some guy’s wallet and chases them down, managing to get the crap beat out of him but the wallet back. Vicki mentions, as they part ways, that she is going to Crime Alley to follow up on a story about a controversial school being built there—Ma Gunn’s School For Boys, which is being alternately condemned by “the powers that be” and praised by the media. Vicki suggests Bruce fund the school, as it’s a great opportunity to help the community.

We’re then treated to a panel that gives us our first impression of Ma Gunn herself and it’s a hilariously stereotypical “White Southern Lady” depiction: straight-laced dress, a frilly collar and sleeves, and her hair in a bun. Looking at her you’d think she had just walked out of a time machine that took her from 1900 to 1987. Which I guess makes sense considering she IS an old woman…but could Collins and co. been more cliché about?


Anyway, tonight happens to be the anniversary of the murder of the Wayne’s (because of course it is), and word has gotten out that Batman has picked this night above the others to crack down hard on Crime Alley. As a result, the streets are pretty calm and collected. I also find it amusing that Batman just casually walks the streets like a regular pedestrian, people waving at him and saying hello.


He runs into Ma Gunn outside of her school and introduces himself, saying that he’s glad someone has made an effort to change Crime Alley for the better. This conversation would be much more endearing if it wasn’t painfully obvious that (spoilers!) she’s going to end up not being what she’s seems. There’s no real villain in this story, aside from the Joker who is taken out in the first page or two, and the constant referencing of her being “such a great person” and “really trying to make a difference” just hammers the point home that that isn’t the case. But I digress.

Batman thanks her and they part ways. And that’s when the iconic scene of Batman happening upon his Batmobile missing its front tires appears. He lets out a burst of laughter at the sheer balls that the person to commit such a crime would have to have and examines the space where the wheels are missing, presumably looking for clues, since I doubt the wheels would be anywhere near the car.

As he does this, a kid appears with a tire iron to “return to the scene of the crime” and runs into Batman. All of the amusement gone, Batman demands that he gives back the tires. Jason denies taking them, but considering he has a tire iron in his hand, it’s more than apparent that he’s lying. Instead of just running away, Jason takes the tire iron and swings it right into Batman’s abdomen and makes a break for it.

Batman considers chasing after him at first but then decides he’s better off following the kid, thinking that it will lead to finding his tires. It’s kind of strange that he would even bother at this point, since he’s a billionaire and could probably afford a couple of new tires, but follow Jason he does and it leads him to a very depressing place. Jason lives in a decrepit, abandoned building by himself, sleeping on a dingy mattress without much else to his name (other than apparently a large stereo and a couple of Eric Peters and Poison Idea posters). He lights a cigarette before Batman pops in like a creeper and says “That’ll stunt your growth, kid.” Jason is understandably alarmed, and tells Batman to just take the lousy tires already and leave him alone (as I probably would have done the same at that point). Batman asks if this is, indeed, where he lives, and Jason says yes. He then asks where his parents are and Jason says that he doesn’t know where his dad is (probably in jail) and his mother passed away. He tries to force Batman to leave in a couple of humorous panels, and Bats admits that he’s “a scrappy one.”

Batman makes Jason help him put his tires back on his car, but while they work, Jason asks if he’s going to “fink” to the cops about him. Batman tells him no, but that he wants to send him to social services so that he can be taken care of. Jason doesn’t like that idea, claiming that he likes it on the streets and wants to stay there without being someone’s “pet charity case.” Batman asks how long his mother was sick, and Jason says “Over a year—I found her food and stuff—kept her warm—and alive…long as I could.” Then Batman asks about school and Jason gives a cheesy response about “graduating from the streets of Crime Alley,” implying that he didn’t actually go to school. Batman makes Jason a deal: No cops, no social workers, but he has to go to school.

Guess which one he’s talking about?

They shake on it, and Batman drops Jason off at Ma Gunn’s place. Ma says that new enrollees are always welcome and that he can stay on the premises if he wants. Batman walks away and the last panel in the comic is of a group of boys holding pockets knives and nasty looks while surrounding and threatening to beat up Jason. Ma Gunn, the “good citizen,” stands by watching and smoking a cigar. Classy.


The double-meaning of the title won’t be fully realized until the next issue, but it’s made pretty clear that Jason is being set up as the next Robin. The title questioning if Robin died will be answered with both a yes and no—Dick did move on and that era of Robin did die. But a new era with a new person wearing the domino mask has begun, and therefore Robin as a concept still lives on. Kind of cheesy, I know, but this IS the American comic book.

Even after the New 52 changed Jason’s background again, this one is still the one that everyone goes to as the ideal. And with good reason—it’s an origin that runs in the opposite direction from both his first one and Dick’s, setting Jason up as a fundamentally different kind of character. He’s homeless, talks with slang, has no problems starting a fight, and is far more independent than Dick was in the beginning. Even from the start, his anger and resentment at the world is there—he spends a lot of time frowning and pouting and only someone who has been hardened by a rough life would dare to throw a swing at Batman like that. It’s iconic because it’s funny, but also a great piece of storytelling without much dialogue or wordage.

…unlike this synopsis.

10 comments:

  1. Very interesting analysis and certainly that story is a product of it's time. Batman casually walking on the street would certainly be a big no these days.

    I take you're familiar with Jason's backstory on the N52? Because as I mentioned, this story is perfectly fine for the time it was written but with Batman's current direction a change was needed. I believe that both takes work wonderfully since what it truly matters is to depict Jason being a street kid hardened by life, something accomplished by either version.

    Anyways, great work. I'll be looking forward for the next analysis. Cheers!

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    1. Yeeeaaah no, Bats wouldn't be taking casual strolls through the streets anymore. Which is kind of a shame, because I think it's a lot of fun to see that in a comic haha.

      I am! I actually own the #0 issue of Outlaws and enjoyed it, but I remember being torn in terms of how I thought the Joker thing fit into the story...and after considering it I think it's a bad idea. Aside from the fact that I don't believe ntroducing him as a plot point in anyone's origin has ever worked (just look at All-Star Batman and Robin, although that wasn't the only thing in that book that didn't work), it just feels contrived. As for his change in how he runs into Batman, I don't think it's bad exactly, I feel like it has far less of an impact. There's nothing remarkable about it like there is here, and the way Leslie plays into makes it look A LOT like Jason is a charity case instead of a gifted kid who caught Bat's interest. I don't think it would have been hard to incorporate this version of the story into his revamped background; they would just have to tweak a few details.

      That being said, I do love the narration and voice that Lobdell gives Jason. His other work may be questionable, but he's one of the best writers Jason's had since Winnick.

      /long reply I'm sorry

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    2. The thing with the Joker is all about perspective I think. For one he's the one telling tale and he could be perfectly just messing with Jason (or being so deluded to actually believe that) so is pretty easy to dismiss. And even if is true, a few issues later, Lobdell himself (via Bruce) elaborated that Jason was never made by anyone but himself. Myself I think it gives an interesting layer to Jason's character, maybe the Joker did set up things but it was Jason the one who made the choice to go forward, and who ended derailing the "script" and turning into his own man.

      Also, it depends on the version but on the original comics there was also a bit of Jason being a charity aspect (Bruce sent Jason to Ma Gun's school at first and only after that was when he took him as his ward). Tying Leslie into that choice also plays with Jason's N52 facet about mother figures. I'm willing to overlook the charity of Jason gets someone else who cares about him (shame Leslie and him haven't met again).

      It certainly could've been easy to revamp this origin on the N52 but it would've taken a bit of credibility out of Bruce's characterization (and maybe push Jason into mary sue territory a bit) given the current Batmobile has a lot of safeguards and in general Gotham is a darker place.

      And yes, Lobdell is a perfect fit for Jason. One of the things that really worked from the N52. Shame that the book is having rough times thanks to Tynion.

      Don't be sorry, I LOVE long answers and a good discusion. :3

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    3. You could certainly argue that he's either delusional or making things up, but the way it's written (and even Bruce's elaboration on it later) still leaves the interpretation ambiguous. It's hard for me to accept the whole "I actually planned this from the beginning!" plot thread, as it more often than not requires an intense suspension of disbelief. Lots of comics play off of this (Under the Hood did extensively), but maybe it's the use of the Joker that makes it harder to swallow as a genuine creative decision and more like a marketing ploy. He already killed him--does he need more involvement in the story? Although I do like the idea of him derailing a "script," even if that script was more than likely a delusion.

      No, you're right, there's definitely a little bit of a charity case element to both versions. I think what makes it less distracting here is that he openly admits that he doesn't want to be a charity case and fights against going to a foster home. In the N52, he just kind of gets plopped in Bruce's care and doesn't even say what he thought about it. The dialogue brushes it off and doesn't address it at all, really. I like the addition of Leslie, but her dialogue in the comic was kind of lackluster and she spends very little time with him. She obviously had an impact on him--he's bothering to bring her up at all in his re-telling--but I don't think she needed to be the one to "convince" Bruce that he shouldn't have him arrested. Overall I think it works fine as a different story, but it's just not as memorable as this was.

      They DO actually address the fact that Jason managed to take the tires off of the car despite all of the security systems somewhere pre-N52. I honestly can't remember what comic it was, but Bruce and Alfred have a good laugh about it when they realize that it was all a matter of luck--they had been repairing the car and the hubcaps or something weren't fully restored. Basically, the car was in a vulnerable state, and Jason had an opportunity. He got lucky. I like how they're able to pull humor out of that on more than one occasion. In Nightwing YO, Dick asks how he came to be in Bruce's life and when Jason tells him, Dick laughs and says that's pretty good. I think it creates more character out of him than the re-telling does.

      I don't know. I see both sides, but I still prefer this one.

      I know that Lobdell is back on the book, which I find strange considering how much vitriolic hatred people are spewing at the guy. Maybe Outlaws' reputation has descended far enough in general that DC doesn't see a risk in bringing him back on. I haven't read anything from Tynion's run because I don't want to buy something that a lot of Amazon reviewers said was great and then find out it isn't. I'd rather spend money on something I know is good which, according to many people, doesn't leave me with many options in terms of N52 lol.

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    4. The scene you mention is on Under the Red Hood, the second act IIRC. Still, is somewhat of a weak explanation given how technological savy Snyder has made Bruce on the N52 (and even then, people complained when it was suggested the Joker entered the Batcave).

      And I guess you could say that the previous origin was more of a focus on Jason while the new one spins things in a way to highlight the family nature of Jason's relationship with Bruce (Bruce comes off more like a parent on Lobdell's version).

      I wouldn't pass DC hoping for Lobdell to get some sales out of controversy to be frank. It didn't work and is a shame, the current arc is incredibly interesting although I can't shake the feeling that Roy and Kori will leave the book soon.

      Tynion's run was mediocre. Characterizations were all over the place, a heavy focus on magic (Bronze Tiger is a literal tiger for example), plots poorly developed, terrible art and in general, it reads like a bad fanfic.

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    5. Ah, okay! Eh, people are always going to complain about some loophole here or there. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to question; it's just that at some point, you have to suspend disbelief otherwise there would be no story.

      The one thing I did actually love about the new origin is the emphasis on the fact that he felt more comfortable around Alfred since he was the Help. I thought that was a great touch. Adding detail while maintaining his original characterization.

      I hear it's not selling well, which doesn't surprise me that much considering that a lot of Lobdell's writing borderlines juvenile teenage boy since that's kind of the demographic they were going for (and actually kind of stupid considering that a large portion of Jason--and even Starfire's--fan base are female). Why do you think they'll leave the book?

      Hahaha oh, that does sound painful. But to be honest, I wasn't a fan of the art after Rocafort left. I know a lot of people don't like the sketchy look, but I've always had a soft spot for it even outside of comics. I love the way he draws hair. But yeah, the art was tolerable at best for me and down-right awful in other places even before Tynion.

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    6. While Lobdell's writing is certainly aiming for the blockbuster action movie I don't believe that is a bad thing and he's absolutely killing it with the characterizations. I never cared for Kori and Roy before but he made them very interesting (their relationship is adorable and Roy works perfectly as foil to Jason).

      As for why I believe they will leave, a shake up after Convergence seems logical, the solicit for issue 40 (the last before Convergence) has a definite vibe of the team breaking up and to round that, some events on the current arc does seem to be setting them up for other things.

      Then again, Lobdell keeps subverting my expectations so I might be talking out of my ass here.

      If you're curious, you can check my reviews (shameless plug in :P) on the last few issues where I expanded on the topic

      http://www.comicbookandmoviereviews.com/2014/10/red-hood-outlaws-35.html#.VJbaZsB4

      http://www.comicbookandmoviereviews.com/2014/12/red-hood-outlaws-36.html

      Rocafort is sort of an acquired taste, his detail and backgrounds are fantastic but when his characters aren't of the heroic build like Superman or Batman, they tend to look skinny. It looks good on men but in women looks very jarring. Also I loathed the expressive mask he gave to Jason. RB Silva is doing a stunning job on the book right now but he's a bit slow and so the art comes off looking rushed sometimes.

      In any case, have some samples of the "art" on Tynion's run

      http://imgur.com/GUEF7Iq
      http://imgur.com/KyvMtBi (this page was the thing it made me hate Tynion's run. The characterization is just SO bad)

      Oh, almost forgot. Check this preview, I believe you will find it very interesting

      http://mancave.cbslocal.com/2014/12/18/its-ho-ho-homicide-in-red-hood-and-the-outlaws-annual-2/

      Happy Holidays!

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    7. HOLY HUGE REPLY, BATMAN.

      There were moments where his writing felt kind of ridiculous to me (and now that I've read more comics with more critically acclaimed writers, going back and re-reading might change my perspective even more), but I do think he's good at crafting individuals that are unique from one another. Most people's beefs with Starfire and Roy are that they've eliminated huge chunks of history from their timeline and Starfire has lost her original personality. That, and certain elements of her character don't make sense and had to be retconned. I have no idea if Lobdell was responsible for those changes or if they were from higher-ups who wanted to "upgrade." Could be a little of both, or they let him loose on the characters and nobody reined him in a little.

      Ah, okay. I wouldn't know much about it, then, as I haven't caught up to the current issues. But like I said, it might be because the popularity had plummeted and they may just stick Kori and Roy somewhere else, which is a shame because Jason needs people around him to build his character up. I don't think he should have a solo title.

      Nah, shameless plug-ins are welcome! I like what you said in both of those reviews; they were interesting. It's been a few days since I read them, but I'm glad that someone is interested in what's happening in that corner of the DCU lol. Although I'm kind of confused, because how is all of this going on when Jason has been on Apokolips with Bruce, Tim, and Babs over in Batman and Robin for several issues with the entire Robin Rises arc?

      Believe it or not, I never noticed the skinny women problem haha. He does draw slight-but-muscular guys well, and that seems to be the body type they're going for with Jason and Roy. There's just something about his line work that moves and flows to me, like I can picture his hand moving across the page when he draws, and I can't do that with many other artists (although I can with Greg Capullo's work, so that might be why I like it so much). GASP. I looooved the helmet he drew for Jason. It's probably one of the better incarnations, since NOBODY has any idea how to draw the damn thing. At one point it looked like a shiny balloon with eyes and that...was creepy.

      Wow, those pages, man...like, WTF is Jason crying in that second one? LOOK AT HIS MOUTH. I feel like that's a very mean-spirited stab at his biggest personality flaw (he DOES tend to complain a lot even in the early issues of RHATO), essentially turning him into a big baby...the artwork isn't BAD per se, there's just a lot of black. :/

      That preview is hilarious. Poor Tamaran. I thought about purchasing that solely because Jason was wearing a Santa costume on the cover, but I never did.

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    8. While is true that Lobdell has his faults (mainly that he tends to introduce plots that aren't followed upon), is obvious he enjoys writing Jason a LOT. This allows for a fantastic characterization that eaisly is the best Jason has gotten since his resurrection.

      Winnick always considered Jason as a villian and in consequence his Jason was a one trick pony badly balanced with badass moments that soured a lot of people on the character. Bruce Jones was screwed over by the editorial (he was brought under the idea of writing Jason as NIghtwing) so isn't fair to consider seriously his Jason, the Countdown guys actually managed to deliver a strong character arc that was threw into the trash due Morrison. The less we talk abour Morrison's take, the better.

      Lobdell finally moved Jason past his Batman obsession and gave him a place within the DCU, other writers have take their chance at writing Jason but outside of Pak, their work is mediocre at best(Seeley, Snyder), terrible at worst(Tynion).

      I believe that Jason can hold a solo but he needs a supporting cast and something different to "DC's Punisher". (I wish Isabel were still be around or that Lobdell would pick the Jason's sister plot) in any case, word on street is that if Roy and Kori leave the title they would be replaced by Rose Wilson and Crux. The idea is intriguing.

      While I can understand how jarring Roy and Kori are on the N52 for those who knew them from the old DCU, their characterizations make sense on the context of the N52. They never had a real bond with other heroes that allowed them to be the happy go lucky kids of old (and in Kori's case, she had to deal with the xenophobia of the N52 on her own). Those characters are still there, but they've been hardened by the circumstances.

      The continuity on the Batman line is a mess, so is better to assume the storylines are entirely separted unless there are references linking them.

      The annual was fantastic (aside of the return of the Destro helmet), if you have the chance give it a read.

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  2. Thank You for sharing the valuable information.Its very helpful to me.

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